5:00: scheduled time to start
6:10 Not yet started…
8:11 Starting. Maduro introduces those present starting with MUD folks.
8:14 setting is a big table with Maduro at the end. We saw no hand shaking at the start.
8:15 Jorge Rodriguez seems so evil. Didalco Bolivar is part of the meeting?
8:21 Letter from the pope… Letter from Vatican Secretary of State…
8:24 Ricardo Patiño up to the plate. “It is not important to determine who is guilty, that will come later.”
8:27 Maduro “In our country we allow that all school of thoughts to express freely” … ya right
8:28 First Chavez remembrance moment by Maduro.
8:29 Whips out the little blue book
8:30 “We started a project to expand democracy… we then shifted to defend from the evil empire… and we found 21st century socialism”. Wait, are these excluding projects?
8:33 Chavez comes up again. Number 2. “The greatness, political, moral, swimming against the current, the comandante”
8:36 “every time there is an act against the revolution, there is suffering”. “We had guarimbas in the past, but they weren’t as violent” Dude, they weren’t repressed as today have been.
8:38 Chavez again with head shot and everything.
8:40 “I have 20 videos [about guarimbas], I am not going to show them”
8:43 “Why the opposition had to be violent, I know why, those who oppose us thought that with the demise of Chavez (again) they could take an advantage”
8:45 “No negotiation, no pact, a peaceful coexistence model is what we are after”
8:47 “we were drag to violence by a current that wanted the immediate exit of Maduro”
8:49 Let’s remember the burning of a university, of a kindergarten, of buses
8:50 12 burned CDI? Really? “people were chained inside, but they escaped”
8:51 “join the truth commission from AN” presided by none other than Cabello.
8:52 “I never wanted to be president to start with”
8:54 so far it has been the peace talk monologues
8:55 Nothing like a threat to start a peace talk “bloodshed, destruction”
8:58 Really, Roque Valero? Winston?
9:02 Let’s remember Chavez once more
9:03 Pot banging begins
9:04 I just noticed that the actual title for this thing is “Dialogues for Peace with Justice” who comes up with that stuff?
9:05 22 speakers, 11 and 11, MUD and GPP.
9:07 10 minutes per speaker. Maduro spoke 40. RGA begins.
9:09 “Dialogue should be normal in a Democracy” “The fact that this encounter made news is a bad sign”
9:10 “we wanted a first public encounter to gain the people’s trust”
9:12 Aveledo asks Maduro to speak less in Cadena and let others do the talking.
9:14 “justice can’t be vengeance” “we can’t ignore the colectivos as paramilitary groups”
9:16 RGA speaks of parliament and the intent of the 2/3 consensus for government roles. Oh Yeah
9:18 Stressed the need for the government to meet with students
9:22 “Peaceful process is not violent, we condemn violence”
9:24 Great spanish civil war quote from Marias. The worst may be yet to happen.
9:25 Jaua speaks, this guys is such a boring speaker.
9:26 Caracazo history lesson. You were responsible for this. Let’s remember Chavez again. It all started with the Caracazo.
9:28 “we never hated you”
9:31 The root cause of all this is the lack of recognition according to Jaua
9:33 “We win elections so put up with” democracy according to Jaua.
9:35 Thanks to us the people have food, now we need to produce the food in Venezuela.
9:36 Amnesty Law was tried by Chavez in 2007 and failed, why should we try it again
9:39 Andres Velasquez goes at it.
9:41 “constitutional rights are not negotiable” “the cost of living is killing us, going to the groceries is humiliating, people get numbered” in response to Jaua @9:35
9:47 Velasquez quickly gets all the injustices across from union leaders to political prisoners.
9:48 Delivers Amnesty Projects, condemns the CNE by calling for elections yesterday. Makes emphasis on his skepticism on these talks.
9:50 Aristobulo, congratulates everyone and himself…
9:51 Aristobulo agrees with Jaua that recognition is the root cause
9:52 Goes at it giving all the examples of the actual violent acts committed.
9:54 Mocks the claims, victimizes government.
9:55 “There are 2000 units trained in Fascism”.
9:57 “We recognized Ledezma” but we stripped him of powers. “We recognized the referendum defeat” but approved everything anyway.
10:00 Someone in the MUD has to say out loud that no one defends anyone that burns anything.
10:04 Roberto Enriquez from Copei. Says out loud that chavismo is the ruling class for the last 15 years. We have no social pact.
10:05 “The socialist model that you are applying failed” Reminds the utter failure of the economic policies.
10:06 Calls Jaua’s BS on food consumption.
10:12 Ramirez begins. The most powerful man in Venezuela some say.
10:13 It all boils down to a conflict between to blocks. We now have the potential to be sovereign. The transnationals would keep the oil rents. We fought that.
10:17 Ramirez farts lots of bogus accomplishments.
10:18 Calls fascist those in the MUD
10:19 We are victims of an international campaign against our country
10:20 “who influences our currency?” Errrr, the Central Bank?…no no I know! PDVSA! Wait, aren’t you in charge of that? SO IT IS YOU!
10:22 He brought a red folder with all the stats! I bet my left thumb that it only includes figures til 2012.
10:24 Ramos Allup refuses to call others BS.
10:25 We should focus on the causes not the consequences. The root cause is that the government has drifted away from the constitutional framework.
10:28 In the constitution there isn’t any: Revolution, Socialism, Hegemony and Military. Military intervention in civil life has caused all kinds of tragedies in Latin America
10:30 Toma y dame con Cabello about the 2002 coup recount of events.
10:31 This guy is brilliant. I hate him. I love him.
10:32 Call all the coup BS. If there is someone ask the government to cal them by name. There aren’t coupsters in the MUD.
10:33 Asks to be allow to speak as much as he pleases. Haha!
10:40 All coups are bad. Chavez was a coup.
10:41 Criticism is not treason. Regardless of where it happens. Asking to resign is not unconstitutional.
10:42 Asked to finish and he insists in continuing. Arreaza is visibly pissed.
10:43 It is not up to us, it is up to you, Mr. President. Brilliant intervention.
10:46 Cabello begins
10:49 Juan Cristóbal taking over now. Cabello repeating the same stuff as usual – basically, that the opposition is the same that overthrew Chávez in 2002. He says the government has never ordered anyone killed. Umm…
10:53 Cabello says opposition legislators asked him for bribe money. At least they know who to ask.
10:54 Cabello says the opposition does not love Bolívar. Was it really necessary to go through all of this to realize the two sides simply do not agree on anything? The more they talk, the more Maria Corina Machado looks the wisest.
10:55 “No lo han dejado gobernar ni un solo día.” You know what I want to do after this? GUARIMBEAR! Cabello says there are people in the opposition talking to the military about launching a coup.
11:02 Cabello says the only paramilitaries are in the opposition. The “colectivos” are all in the opposition. He basically calls the colectivos little angels.
11:04 This meeting is the most awkward thing I’ve ever seen. If this is what dialogue looks like, then I hate dialogue. There is simply no point to any of this. And now … Omar Barboza!
11:05 So far the government is showing much more message discipline. They have mentioned time and again the supposed acts of violence the opposition has incurred in. Time and again. Now Barboza is “defending” himself from the charges. Don’t think of an elephant Omar.
11:09 Next to Omar Barboza, Maduro is Winston Churchill. We should have a new rule in politics: no talking about international inflationary figures in a cadena after 11 pm. #SnoozeFest
11:13 Somebody please tell Omar Barboza the 99.9% of Venezuelans don’t know what a percentage is, and that 99% of the ones that do have no idea what the word “para-fiscal” means. Thankfully, he’s done.
11:15 Jose Pinto, a member of the government’s Tupamaro paramilitaries, is seated at the table. He is basically telling the opposition “I know where you live.” He asks Maduro to get the Nobel Peace Prize. People in Oslo must be shitting their pants. He knows where they live, too.
11:22 LEOPORDO López. Shot of tequila!
11:25 It is unbelievable that in a country with sky-high scarcity and the second highest murder rate in the world … is talking about repression in the AD and Copei years.
11:27 Julio Borges now. Talks about the people still living in temporary shelters. Addresses the people who did not want dialogue.
11:31 #PollosDeJamaica … sounds tasty!
11:33 Borges listing all the things that are wrong with Venezuela’s economy. It’s too bad his speech has been focused-group to within an inch of its life.
11:35 Borges pressing the government to free political prisoners. That’s really the only thing that matters in this whole “habladera de paja.” Now lamenting how divided the country is, how fearful everyone is. Understandable – if I had been beat up at my job three times like him, I’d be scared too.
11:38 Blanca Eckhout calls the opposition terrorists. Because this is a conference for peace. Now talking about the Revolución de Octubre and Medina Angarita … ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
11:42 As Ms Eckhout spews venom and talks about imaginary universities being burned down with imaginary fire, I can’t stop looking at her necklace: it’s Hugo Chávez’s signature! #FashionStatementOfTheNight
11:45 Finca Daktari. SHOT! Eckhout is mercifully done. Now we can go back to forgetting she is an actual public figure.
11:48 #GooglingSimonCalzadilla
11:54 Another oppo politicna talking about drafted laws that are shelved. Do they really think the problem in Venezuela … is a lack of laws?
11:55 The only point of agreement seems to be that the students are sometimes violent. What a shame.
11:56 Juan José Molina speaking now, sporting a rockin’ tie.
11:58 Molina reminding everyone the empty promises and failures of the oppo-gov talks 11 years ago. YES! Brings out pictures of colectivo violence. He’s doing very well.
12:00 At midnight, Molina cites UN report we tweeted about this afternoon, and wonders what kind of peace chavismo wants. Does Molina read Caracas Chronicles?
12:07 Liborio Guarulla speaking now, mentioned rape of political prisoners. Is that an Amazonas accent?
12:13 Politicians speaking about love. SHOT!
12:15 Henry Falcón reminding chavistas that he used to be one of them. Also, trashing the guarimbas.
12:16 “Presuntamente vinculados al PSUV”…?!!??!
12:20 That emptiness you feel? It’s the sadness when you realize that a simple conversation between Venezuelans requires the presence of three foreign ministers.
12:25 Falcón dando un maravilloso discurso que sería perfecto en otro país.
12:26 Lara governor Henri Falcón, in a great speech, reminds people that all sensible people left chavismo years ago. Nice touch to quote Pope Francis.
12:28 Didalco? Really?
12:33 Didalco is asking the opposition to join in some other commissions so that they can be ignored and insulted there as well.
12:38 Capriles now?
12:39 And… Capriles’ aversion to wearing a tie lives. Calls Maduro “Nicolás”
12:40 Capriles talking about the April election.
12:41 Capriles talking tough to Unasur. This is all their fault – for not following up with the audit of the April election.
12:43 Nicolás Nicolás Nicolás … ribs Jaua the “Protector of Miranda.” Capriles has a spring in his step.
12:46 Capriles putting the focus on the institutional crisis. I don’t know if it’s smart or not, but it’s true.
12:47 Capriles asks Ramírez to go for a stroll without bodyguards. #DeathWishModeOn
12:50 There’s a sense of urgency in Capriles’ speech that had been missing lately.
12:53 “Nicolás, ¿cómo vas a pedir respeto si a la mitad del país la irrespetas?”
12:54 Capriles affirms the right of anyone to ask the President to resign. Reminds people that folks ask him all the time, says people call him Nazi when his ancestors died in a concentration camp.
12:55 Capriles ends by condemning violence.
12:57 Jorge Rodríguez is speaking, but I don’t have the stomach for this. The quick verdict: Capriles’ upbeat speech regained for him many of the points he lost with his followers in the opposition, and dare I say, with wavering chavistas. Falcón was a surprise, a smooth talker who looked, gulp, Presidential. Ramos Allup was Ramos Allup. Chavismo … is a complete wasteland.
The loser of the evening? Venezuela. There is no way this circus can defuse the deep political and economic crisis we have in our hands.
1:01 Rodrigo back in the driver’s seat.
1:03 Rodriguez likes to reduce to the absurd.
1:05 Jorgito is repeating the same thing he was told to say. He continues to ask the opposition to condemn violence when they have done so several times already.
1:10 Trying to push the idea that counting paper ballots is a full audit.
1:13 First honest thing. We have had to put up with many lies tonight.
1:14 Of course. Maduro is going to speak.
1:15 Maduro is simply blabbing. Showing some charts. Our issue is obesity.
1:25 Everyone seems to be playing candy crush
1:38 Conspiracy theory! Shot!
1:43 Forget about amnesty. “This is time for justice, not amnesty”
1:53 it is over…
The whole thing lasted 340 minutes, of which Maduro spoke 90. Maduro’s share was 27%.
Chavismo tried to push that the colectivos are good, that the opposition in an accomplice of the violence, that they are the victims and that this is an attempted coup and that the crisis is due to the lack of recognition.
MUD tried to push the idea the crisis is due to the economic situation and institutional breakdown. Tried to warn about the dangers of civil war.
Chavismo got its picture. MUD got some air time. No real progress was made out of this to solve the crisis.
This is a mess. I read on Globovisión it’s going to start at 8:00pm. But everywhere else said 5pm.
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earlier today it said 9:00 pm
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Maybe that’s better, closer to prime-time
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Julio Borges and Roberto Enríquez arrive at Miraflores
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Why is one of the two disputing sides the meeting’s anchor?
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I’m so sorry for Capriles. His facial expression broke my heart… I think he’s regretting being there.
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I’m thinking the opposition attendees are wishing they had listened to Admiral Ackbar.
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They should just stand up and leave. It’s becoming a joke.
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That’s part of the problem. They overcommitted. They cannot.
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I thought dialogue required two parties…
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connection down?!
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back up.
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Interesting that RGA brought up the term civil war…
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Wish there was English subtitles scrolling at the bottom of Telesur’s feed.
Is the Vatican’s representative present?
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Yes, Vatican rep is there. He is the one with the collar. :)
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man… I am opening a beer… this will be a long night
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why does the EEUU have all of its drones in Pakistan?
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Why does Ramirez always looks like that 10 year old kid that always told fibs and looked like his mother was going to beat the shit out of him for telling another lie? Venezuela right now is nothing but lies and bullshit promises.
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I am drinking port. It seemed appropriate.
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Ramos Allup: llevo quince años de cadenas y ahora tengo mi chance de decir lo que tengo que decir… Genial!!!
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WIN!
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I simply hate Ramos Allup. It’s nails on a blackboard for me.
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Because he’s bluntly, eloquently right?
Or because he’s a dinosaur from an era that the chavistas use to rationalize their behavior?
Both?
I think his talent is misdirected, but I believe he has it.
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Because he’s bluntly, eloquently right?
I chuckled at that one, but seriously anyone that thought that it was a good Idea to let Ramus Allup to attend this charade of dialogue, is absolutely a genius in my book!
Oh yeah let’s send the guy that represents the party for which every chavista hates in their very core. Sure what could possibly go wrong!
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Interesting, he made most of the points you made in your article: What is the constitution? and he did it brilliantly.
I must be missing something, what is it that some people dislike about him?
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His history of boycotting honest attempts at reform in Venezuela. Have you read “La Rebelión de los Náufragos”?
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That bastard stopped Ledezma from reforming AD. Instead the whole system came crashing down…
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I have not read it.
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Besides, splitting hairs about the “vacío de poder” vs “golpe,” hauling out Lucas Rincón “la cual acectó” … get over it! Any time we are talking about April 2002, we are losing. Ugh.
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It’s just his not-so-veiled attempt to cuddle up to the Chavistas–he must be hurting economically, as when he tried to suck some money out of the Caracas U. S. Embassy not so long ago–a real gem.
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Well, I do agree with that assessment of his. The first one in the opposition that called it a coup (on the 12th no less) was Petkoff.
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Ramos Allup had one too many uppers. He is all over the place. What exactly was his message? To spew out everything he had been meaining to say in fifteen years?
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he called it on the military. he called it on the resignation.
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He should have called it on the sniper head shots on the peaceful march. Chavez was forced to resign by a Venezuelan military still with some conscience/honor for ordering sniper killing of civilians and mass murder via Plan Avila–WTF “golpe militar”–the military actors even turned the Govt. over to what they thought were going to be competent civilians, not the incompetent nincompoops they turned out to be. Ramos Allup was one of the least-inspiring of the Oppo speakers, and that’s saying a lot!
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The cherry on top was that he specifically chose to start his speech by pointing out that his extensive (and dare I say pre-historic) parliamentary experience has trained him precisely to focus on his message instead of allowing himself to be provoked into an all-over-the-place speech
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Ramirez: “Calls fascist those in the MUD” He didn’t get the memo…
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The face of Julio Borges looks like he is contemplating homicide.
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I’m trying not to look at the faces. It’s just too much. This thing is simply too awkward for words.
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That, honestly, has been the best part of this farce.
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Maduro can’t do math on his head
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Nor with a calculator and three ministers.
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He looked like he was about to call Maria Bolivar pa’ que le diera una alludaita.
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I think I’m being a little biased and maybe irrational, but that speech Ramos Allup made was something I’ve been longing to see like forever. It was pure gold.
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This guy doesn’t realized that he is the oldest in the crowd and that there is no way he could be the victims of the others.
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In socialism, everything is shared. Including, apparently, blame and victimization of innocent parties.
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Listening to the Tupamarero… The faces of everyone including the Chavistas… PRICELESS.
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The only thing they have accomplished tonight is for a bunch of opposition people to watch a cadena and remember why it was that they hate the government.
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well… they got some air time
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Well, I didn’t expect otherwise. In fact, the chavistas are being quite soft in my opinion.
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Maybe I haven’t listened to them in a while, but to me every word that comes out of their mouth boils my blood.
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Don’t think that doesn’t happen to me. The problem is that their everyday speeches are more radical that what they are saying now, maybe that’s why.
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Why does the Tupamaro have to talk about the past? He looks like he is being a Delphi Technique stooge.
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Why does Blanca always yells. Even with a mic one inch away from her mouth
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What an amazing example of mediocrity…
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Man, is this Chavismo A list??. I get that chavismo bought and intimidated it’s way into power, but still, can anyone believe these clowns?
Granted oppo, are not great either, but they are not an embarrasment.
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She reminded of typical MUN newbie speeches.
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turn her f%/((/&= microphone off
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Blanca F…ckout.
Or Yellout maybe.
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It is clear that the real believers in the “Revolution”-Eckhout/Pinto/et. al.-are recalcitrant resentidos sociales who will NEVER change. It is also clear that evil Cabello/baby-faced Ramirez enchufados cannot say anything that isn’t a lie. Unfortunately, these talks will lead to nothing (Chavez actually looks good by comparison). Henriquez is right, the “Pacto Social” is broken, and, with the Govt. hardline leftists and lying enchufados, seems at this point irretrievably so; and, like Humpty Dumpty, it will not be put back together again anytime soon, and not until much further bloodshed
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Efforts appreciated, comments as well.
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* Efforts by Rodrigo Linares appreciated…
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And JC too.
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Henry Falcon is good, he’s got charisma, and this scares me. I can see him seducing Venezuela to be the next messianic figure.
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Henry Falcon is doing very well. He is one of “them”, but one who has repented, and is showing everyone else the way home, all the while proving that you don´t have to lose face. Very good.
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Falcon does not sound like a pissed off upper class white guy in a suit. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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Is this a dialogue or a political debate (complete with name calling and all that)?.
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It is a series of of monologues spliced together.
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Capriles is doing well calling into question the electoral process and calling it a political process.
The modest slight of calling Maduro ‘Nicolás’ is well done.
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I have to think that the chavistas are having a real bad night. The opening comment of Jorge Rodriguez seems to let on that they are seething. They are not used to have to listen to dissenting ideas and narratives.
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I think this dialoguing was a great idea.
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So… I laughed out loud with Ramos Allup, watched in awe while RGA spoke, could not help but admire Falcon and praising the angle he chose, but got really excited with HCR. The MUD had a plan, stuck to it and nailed it. Will it be worth it, will this work? Can´t tell. But if everything depended on tonight, then this was a knockout win. Very pleased.
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Capriles is good. Watching him speak to “Nicolas”, the phrase, “captive audience” came to mind. These boneheads are not used to “dialogue”…you can see it.
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Thanks Rodrigo and JC. Highly entertaining and illuminating commentary.
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Capriles did good, but Jorge Rodríguez was a strong finish for the chavistas (especially after their abysmal performance). Thanks for everything guys.
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Did I just hear Maduro say he spared the oppo reps? Did he say can destroy them at will? Now that is the Chavismo style.
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All that was missing was for Maduro to say: “You’re all part of the Rebel Alliance and Traitors, TAKE THEM AWAY”.
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I am calling it a night. I just can’t keep listening to Maduro. My final conclusion is that the Oppo scored a lot of points. As I said in a previous post, the Chavistas had little to gain and much to lose in this public debate. They out did themselves in mediocrity. On the other hand, on balance, the Oppo made solid points. I was surprised at how smooth and convincing Falcon was. And Capriles pulled off a risky strategy calling out Maduro and making it personal.
Tomorrow, we will see the fallout. I am wondering how much of the country watched it?
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1.55 and still going strong
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good night yawl
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ya’ll
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Yawl: A two-masted, fore-and-aft-rigged sailing vessel having a large mainmast and a smaller jiggermast or mizzenmast stepped abaft the sternpost.
Sometimes, I really feel sorry for people who have to learn English as a second language… tain’t easy… :)
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Here in Atlanta we write it y’all; all y’all (that would be the plural) :-)
BTW, Roy, that is just such a smug thing to say. You ain’t looking good, buddy.
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It wasn’t meant that way. Sorry you took it that way. Written English IS a nightmare. See:
http://www.i18nguy.com/chaos.html
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Thanks a lot, Rodrigo, for the whole description. It must have been painful to go through it all, like walking
on burning coal.
I also checked out El País…it was funny what they wrote:
“se congregaron a partir de las ocho de la noche locales para dar lugar a un evento de formato impreciso -¿debate? ¿conversatorio? ¿terapia de grupo?- cuyos efectos reales sobre la opinión pública y sobre los desórdenes callejeros tendrán que dilucidarse con el paso de los días.”
What do you make out of this PSF sociologist’s comments?
http://venezuelablog.tumblr.com/post/82321830415/dialogue-live-blog
The guy came with the “light-skinned” argument. What the hell?
I don’t have the whole list but as far as I have seen from the newspaper, groups are not
that different there. Chavistas have a very dark skinned (Istúriz) and we have a very native American (Velásquez). Cabello has green eyes and Ramírez blue ones, Borges looks like Manolito from Mafalda, the rest didn’t differ much (and I know, this shouldn’t matter).
It was definitely a pity we didn’t have a woman talking there – they did have this Eeckhout character.
Isn’t there anyone other than Machado from our side?
I think there are one or two female deputies from Carabobo…
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For this kind of situations, I can only think of Maria Corina Machado or Liliana Hernandez to have a powerful message.
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We know Machado was not going. Perhaps as you say Hernández, perhaps even national deputy Deyalitza Aray or someone like her.
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There is Eveling Trejo Maracaibo’s mayor.
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Oh, my God! NO! Not her!
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Delsa Solorzano perhaps would have been appropriate.
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I tried to record the whole event from the live stream. Unfortunately i got disconnected after 4 hours, so the last 2 hours are missing.
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Thank you very much.
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For those of us who did not watch or listen to the event, this log by Rodrigo was invaluable and offers a very good idea of what it was like. Now, the basic issue, whether it should have taken place at all , takes second seat to the fascination of watching something like a ball game. Who won? who made points? Did you see how threatening Rodriguez looked? And that poor guy Barboza!
El Pais has it right when it talks about an amorphous event: no agenda, no objective, show? group therapy?
As Izarrita would say: esto es lo que hay…..
Maduro spoke for 27% of the total time, the rest to be divided among the perraje. Hope the Vatican takes notice of how Venezuelan democracy works.
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What did the Tupamaro say?
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Tupamaro dude was fixated in the past wrongs done by the “cuarta republica”
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To maduro’s opening:
Me alegra que estemos de acuerdo en lo de seguir la constitución. Específicamente me alegra que opine que si alguien quiere protestar todos los dias, que usted no tiene problema con eso. Aclaremos que no es usted el que da el permiso para protestar, sinó que es la constitución la que nos da ese derecho. Así es que a Venezuela le digo, ya tenemos algo de acuerdo de esta mesa: a protestar los que quieran protestar.
Sobre la violencia, también me alegra que opine que esa no está bien. A nosotros tampoco nos parece bien. Emfatizo, estamos en contra de la violencia. Apoyamos las protestas pacíficas. Pero aclaremos, las protestas empezaron pacíficamente y fueron atacadas. La violencia la trajeron los que atacaron las protestas, no la trajeron los protestantes. Si bien la intención es protestar pacíficamente, pero existe alta probabilidad de ser atacado, los que protestan tienen que prepararse para defenderse. Algo similar a lo que decía chavez de que la suya era una revolución pacífica pero armada. Así es que a Venezuela le digo, ya tenemos otra cosa de acuerdo de esta mesa: a protestar los que quieran protestar, eso sí, pacíficamente, pero dispuestos a defender su derecho.
A las protestas debemos agradecer este encuentro. Sinó por ellas, no nos estarían dando cupo en sus reuniones, mucho menos con testigos, y muchísimo menos en cadena nacional. Así es que a los estudiantes, un saludo, un agradecimiento, y mientras sigan teniendo quejas, ya saben que ambos bandos de esta mesa están de acuerdo con que sigan protestando, pacíficamente.
Eso nos trae a las razones de las protestas. Todo empezó por la inseguridad. Esa todavía existe. De hecho, Venezuela es uno de los paises más violentos en el mundo. Así es que a Venezuela le digo, si ustedes se sienten inseguros, en sus casas, en sus trabajos, en la calle, protesten. En esta mesa, todos los apoyamos en ese derecho.
Si usted va al mercado y no consigue lo que antes se conseguía y marcas sobraban, o si tiene que hacer cola para hacer compritas, y luego otra para lo que le hizo falta en la primera, o aceptar que le pinten un número en el brazo, o que le vigilen lo que compro en los días anteriores como si usted no tuviese derecho a comprar para lo que tenga dinero, proteste.
Si los olores de basura o desechos le molestan, si el agua le llega sucia, o no le llega, o si la luz le está dañando sus equipos, o se la viven cortando, proteste.
Si le siguen exigiendo lealtad o agradecimiento a un partido político por aquellas cosas que son responsabilidad del gobierno para todos por igual, proteste.
Si tiene algún familiar o querido preso, y no lo procesan como es debido, y en el tiempo debido, proteste.
Si tiene algún conocido enfermo, y no lo atienden médicos certificados en Venezuela, o no consigue acceso a los equipos, a las instalaciones, y a los insumos que necesita, proteste.
Si después de tantos años recibiendo cino veces el dinero que el gobierno recibía antes, su vida no es por lo menos cinco veces mejor que antes, proteste. Porque estemos claros, todo ese dinero tendría que estarle llegando a usted de alguna forma u otra. Su vida tendría que ser por lo menos cinco veces mejor.
A protestar, Venezuela. A protestar.
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