13 thoughts on “Narcing on the Narcos

  1. I like the Oscar Wilde reference. Classic. I’ll now try to stop thinking about what you said. The situation is well known but deeply alarming when viewed in technicolor.

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  2. yo no defiendo a chavez; vaya que hay bastante que se puede criticar. pero de ahí, a decir que venezuela es un país narco, hay un largo trecho. entiendo que ya han muerto dos oficiales de las fuerzas armadas y que ademas hay jueces del mas alto calibre implicados en el trafico de drogas, pero en mi humilde opinión, estos son mas que todo núcleos aislados que pretenden aprovecharse del sistema de impunidad instaurado desde hace décadas; mientras se hacen millonarios (claro esta) sin ninguna rigurosidad moral o etica. confrontación abierta/guerra civil? te digo que en nuestra sociedad el dinero lo compra todo (o casi todo) y que si existen oficiales que trafican droga. pero no mas que eso. estos oficiales de las fuerzas armadas no son capaces de desafiar al gobierno (ojo, no al estado – lo digo porque muchos se confunden entre estado y gobierno). en otras palabras, la falta de institucionalidad desafía al estado y sus leyes procesales, pero no al gobierno de chavez (estos lo apoyan porque han logrado adinerarse durante su gestión). si eso es en nuestra militar, que es la rama del estado que mas se ha desarrollado (históricamente), se puede extender hacia varios otros sectores del estado. no hay duda de que hay incidentes de narcotráfico en nuestras fuerzas armadas, pero motivo para una guerra civil (?), ahí no la veo. también toca decir que el gobierno de chavez ha extraditado a narcotraficantes a usa y que inclusive han incautado números récords de droga. el problema de raíz es la impunidad. tanto de la ola de hampa que azota a venezuela como de que el narcotrafico se haya colado en las fuerzas armadas. mexico ha sufrido mas por los capos de la droga (como makled) que por los corruptos del estado que trafican. en colombia la guerra viene históricamente desde un conflicto ideológico profundo, cual es mas perturbador (por su duración). pienso que si hay guerra, esta va a ser ideológica (si es que se le puede dar razón a una guerra). la extrema polarización del país así lo evidencia. esperemos que no llegue a eso y que la linea constitucional se mantenga pase lo que pase. saludos.

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    • alber0421-as to a civil war being a war between two idealogies. Chavez has been stoking this idea in the minds of el pueblo since the beginning. Chavez talks this way every day.
      “This is a war. We will win. We will be victorious.”
      Also, I disagree alber0421 -with the idea that the military if full of innocent, confused , but ethical soldiers. In my opinion, too many of the military have been thoroughly corrupted and propagandized and that is the state of Venezuela now and the big question mark as to what the military will or will not do to defend the Constitution for example or will they
      follow orders from Cuba?

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      • alber0421- you say in first sentence that you are not defending Chavez, but looks like
        you ARE mounting a “soft defense” of Chavez.

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    • So far, there isn’t hard evidence of Venezuela being a Narco-state. However, it’s hard to ignore some facts:

      – “In the last decade, most (about 60%) of the cocaine seized was taken at sea or in ports. The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela was the most prominent country of origin for direct cocaine shipments to Europe, with the cocaine coming mainly from Colombia” (Page 2, http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Studies/Transatlantic_cocaine_market.pdf)

      – Although Makled still hasn’t show any evidence, you have to wonder how he got all the perks he enjoyed during his ride as druglord in Venezuela: he owned an airline under government’s consent, owned warehouses in a state controlled port, and got a military ID card from a military judge, i.e. Aponte Aponte.

      – Aponte Aponte still has to give us some hard evidence, but this guy has already stated that Hugo Chavez himself asked him to let go a military officer who was caught with drugs inside a military base.

      – Links with the Colombian narco-guerrilla. The main income sources of the FARC are drug smuggling and kidnapping. Chavismo has declared himself an ally of FARC in spite of that. Raul Reyes’ laptop is proof that the government was supporting them. That’s the reason why Rangel Silva and the others were includede in the DEA’s drug kingpin list. A government helping an international drug operation? That’s not exactly kosher!

      A narco-state is not about how many people are involved in drug trafficking, but who these people are. If Aponte Aponte statements are proven to be true it’s not only the Office of the President that is deep into s#i7, but also the Supreme Court, higher ranking officers of the Army and a few Governors. If that’s not a narco-state, I don’t know what does it take to become one…

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  3. Excellent article Quico, just one correction, the clerk he mentions, Ruben Laguna, was not found dead under suspicious circumstances shortly after he fled the country. He was seriously wounded in a supposed attempted robbery in the Francisco Fajardo and died from his wounds after agonizing for several days. But this happened in 2008, two years after LVA had fled the country and Laguna was at the time clerking for Arcadio Delgado Rosales.

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  4. Sorry, guys, but can you give a definition of what a narcostate is?
    Because there is this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-capitalism

    Do you think there is a discussion between close doors with Chávez about how to undermine the EU with the shipment of cocaine?
    Or: when is it just utterly corrupted, failed state and a “real” narco-state?
    We know there are parts of the Mexican military and police service, possibly many politicians as well involved in the drug trade. Mexico is the main entry point for the USA, Venezuela is the main one for Europe.

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    • To paraphrase some famous gringo, it may be hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

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    • Kepler, narcostate is being correctly applied to Venezuela to denote the complicity and involvment of vene gov, mil and civilian sectors in all aspects of drug trade. I seriously doubt any of them starting with Fidel and Hugo, think they are undermining USA when addiction and consumption worse at home. This is all about profits.

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      • M. Ha.m ., I believe quite the contrary; in their little minds they thought they could undermine USA using drugs as one of many internal implosion mechanisms that would allow entry with their imperialistic castrism goals, and that they could do so without the drug trade imploding their own little nations.

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  5. FT, congrats on FP. Agree with everything except final assessment of civil war. Little is known of the narco structure and the rivalry/killings could be over. The characterization of ‘civil war’ too over the top. Curious about narco-civil-military org chart and who’s at top.

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