Impeached judge talks

This is an exclusive interview with Eladio Aponte.

Who is he? He is a former military prosecutor, and a former high-ranking judge on the Venezuelan Supreme Tribunal.

Where is he? Outside Venezuela somewhere. Reports say he has signed a deal with the DEA. He is now talking.

Why was he impeached? Nobody knows for sure. Some internecine chavista war.

What is he saying? Basically, what everyone knows. That Chávez manipulates justice in Venezuela. That drug smuggling has permeated all levels of the Venezuelan government. That Mazuco, Afiuni, Simonovis, and the other political prisoners were framed. That the Venezuelan military regularly stores drug shipments in its facilities. Basic stuff, really.

Watch or read the transcript … if you have the stomach for it.

144 thoughts on “Impeached judge talks

  1. So outrageous… i’m not surprised by his accusations, though this is the first time somebody speaks so openly about it

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      • Wao! Wao! This guy in Aporrea is just another thug…who thinks Aponte is only bad because he has spoken now…they see crime as the normal thing to do…it is so revealing…they were never pissed off because the Adecos and others were stealing but only because they were not stealing…geez…

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        • Yes, this is so repulsing, it looks like you can do whatever you want, as long as you are loyal to chavismo. You know nobody would speak, because all the others are doing the same things. Now suddenly Aponte was too exposed due to Makled and let fallen and he also suddenly discovered how wrong all the justice was, come on…

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          • You know what, LD…the problem is also that MILLIONS of Venezuelans think like that, to one or the other extent…millions. Qué vaina!

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            • Yes, that is what I mean with “deeper”, and it is very sad, something like that is not to be changed by night.

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      • the message in aporrea seems to be: No matter how vile the crime, never rat on your pals/comrades/colleagues.

        This movie is getting really good. How I would love to see again the faces of rabble-rousing factions in Toronto who, earlier infiltrated local universities to sing the praises of chavismo, who formed Círculos Bolivarianos in the GTA, and my favorite: who flatly denounced that there were any political prisoners in Vzla.

        Here’s looking at you, María Paez Victor, PhD, Sociology.

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      • They have taken it down, for whatever reason… An excerpt:
        Un delator es como un violador, despreciado por los vecinos de celda
        EladioAponte, ¡Pajúo!
        Autor: Diógenes Díaz
        Fecha de publicación: 19/04/12
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        Recuerdo cuando niño que entre los hombres se establecía unas reglas no escritas por quienes compartíamos el juego, sin alguien rompía una ventana nadie acusaba a ninguno, cuando se cometía una travesura de tomar prestado algunos mangos o guayabas del jardín de unos vecinos, nadie señalaba el otro. Solo con decir yo no estaba allí y no sé nada. En mis tiempos al terminar una buena fiesta de fin de semana, alguien inventaba sustraer una gallina de algún patio cercano, disfrutábamos en las madrugadas la expropiación, en este caso nadie decía quien o quienes compartimos el colectivo sancocho. Quien se atreviera a violar este código, era marcado como acusete por un tiempo y nadie lo consideraba como amigo.
        Con el tiempo pasamos a una vida de jóvenes y en las peleas de los liceos por motivos de alguna novia o duelos por grupos de barrios distintos, nadie acusaba a otro, sencillamente era una acto de cobardía, igual decir quién acabo una fiesta o el que se quedo con la pelota del equipo contrario para terminar el juego que se perdía en el último inning. Peor cuando un compañero de clase quería salvarse frente a un profesor hablando del mal comportamiento de nosotros. No era de hombre señalar a nadie, hablar de las mujeres y menos mentarle la madre a un contrincante, se le partía la boca, en algunos casos si lo tenían en el suelo se celebraba diciendo en gritos colectivos con un dale, dale y disfrutábamos ver correr al desleal y cobarde.

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      • And the end:
        Dando hoy una entrevista exclusiva, el señor Eladio le faltan testículo, su deslealtad y traición es impresionante, un delator público. Ingenuo al creer que haciendo esta declaración asquerosa se salvara el pellejo, pienso que hay presos con dignidad pese al delito, un delator es como un violador, despreciado por los vecinos de celda. No hay perdón, Eladio Aponte, Pajuo!!!

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      • When I follow that link, it says “El documento que Ud. ha tratado de leer no existe en este sitio web”. Did you happen to keep a copy of it?

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        • yes, here the segment in the middle,
          ” Desde los quince años inicie mi militancia política, conociendo las historias de familiares presos por Pérez Jiménez, un tío desaparecido y la lucha de gente cercana contra el pacto de punto fijo. Supe que la lealtad y el honor jamás se pueden perder, aun te quedes solo no pues delatar a nadie, porque no delatas al otro, te delatas a ti mismo. Recuerdo que teníamos una receta, por cierto nunca fui detenido por actividad política, la receta era que ante el interrogatorio decíamos que nos acogíamos al precepto constitucional que nos eximia de declarar en contra de nuestra voluntad, paso siguiente a cerrar los ojos porque seguro venia una lluvia de golpes. Hasta nuestra madres están formadas ante el interrogatorio, no conoces a nadie que militas conmigo, pon la denuncia ante la fiscalía, busca un diputado de izquierda y vete a la prensa a decir que estoy secuestrado por el gobierno y sin comunicación. Estábamos claro que había que aguantar la pela, mantener el silencio y no firmar nada sin nuestro abogado.

          Este reseña casi biográfica viene a propósito de mira atónito y asombrado el caradurismo del señor Eladio Aponte Aponte, tratando de salvarse ante sus verdaderos verdugos; los medios de comunicación. ” (here continues with the last part posted above) Dando hoy…

          It looks like it was a minority expression in Aporrea, or at least they don’t want to be public. In the forum is not like they are defending him. Some hope at least… But sure it is the same mechanism the mafia uses. I would say only a bit loosely.

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  2. Awful, awful journalism. Horrible production values. Senseless editing. Zero insight on the part of the interviewer. A hack job, rushed together, by people who constitute a stain on the profession.

    Where have you gone, Mike Wallace?
    A nation turns its lonely eyes to you…

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      • Well, it pisses me off. It’s SO RARE that we have a (relatively) big fish with (relatively) recent info willing to talk. We desperately need a professional, thorough, briefed, smart, incisive interviewer to do the story justice, to help us pierce through the bullshit and get us to what really happened. Instead, we get this absolute disgrace of an interview. It’s maddening.

        We don’t get that many good juicy breaks…we need to treat the ones we do get with a minimum of professionalism, coño…

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        • I disagree. She may have not been incisive enough but she is pretty well informed and she certainly rebuked him a few times and tried getting straight answers from him. She did a good job given the vague answers of Aponte

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        • The opposition in the National Assembly really missed on this one, instead of protesting or impeding the impeachment demanding a investigation of the whole Court, they just went alone with the Chavistas.

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        • “we need to treat the ones we do get with a minimum of professionalism”
          Yes, that was below the minimum. Probably very little news will come
          out -in fact, it will be forgotten in a few days…Not much coverage here in
          US for sure..

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          • In any country, but Venezuela, this would be a huge scandal that would imply probably the impeachment of the whole Court. But in Venezuela, you can be an homophobic idiot, a drug trafficker and you’ll have your job, the only crime now is not being chavista.

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    • Gotta agree with Quico. Did they get the background music from the Harry Potter soundtrack?! More importantly: WHY, WHY, the background music?! The whole interview is shocking as it is…

      But yeah, also agree with Juan, we are governed by garbage.

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  3. Confirmed what we already knew and that is that many of the governmental institutions are rotten and the military high command are on the narco wagon. He even mentioned Baduel – which must be another chapter to come. What he didn’t say and earned him a free trip on the DEA to the US I suspect is much more interesting. Either way he deserves to rot for the years of doing the dirty bidding of his boss.

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  4. The official reason for his impeachment is that he gave Mackled – the alleged chavista supported drug lord – Justice Department credentials.

    This Aponte Aponte is the same guy that as a Military Prosecutor was investigating the so called “Paramilitary” cachito eating rebels near Caracas many years ago.

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  5. Apointe wants us to believe that they were all good guys who supported the revolution and were loyal to Venezuela, but are victims of “group think”-in other words, they are for all practical purposes, all innocent because
    they had good intentions. And, now he sees the errors and wants to prove he acts with
    nothing but the best of intentions..

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  6. My favourite part is when he says that he always acted fairly (de una manera muy pulcra) and then, we asked about his choice of words, he is all like “fairly as in I followed the orders impaired by the president.”

    Something that is particularly insightful about this interview is the entire perversion of values that has occurred in our country , and how people like Aponte Aponte almost become “victims” of the regime because any dissent would have cause them their jobs. Hopefully we will not forget that there is a line (maybe blurry for some) between real victims of the regime and those who profited from it.

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    • Well put. He wants to return to venezuela to clear his name?! Is he so afuera reality after so long in the bowels of that cesspool? It is a the face of, what else to say, a big banal pile of evil and pathetic shit.

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      • Yeah, I puzzled about AA’s wanting to return to Vzla to clear his name (and that of his family). He must be really deluded if he thinks that Venezuela offers the judicial conditions for that option. I think that bit is pap and that he knows he can’t return to the country… for a very long time. what I don’t understand is that his visa is only for 30 days. Then what?

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      • He wants to clear his name? He admits that he willingly did not follow the law by freeing guilty criminals and framing innocent citizens. His whole rational is completely distorted about whats ethical and legal.

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  7. Should the opposition still ignore these accusations against government officials being involved in drug trafficking? I understand Capriles wants to run a positive campaign but they’ve been way to quiet about this for way too long. This is the right time to throw some punches at the government! Of course, they have to avoid looking sympathetic toward Aponte/Walid Makled. But in a regular country, not only would this cause an immediate outrage, it would lead to the opposition asking for these high-rank government officials and members of our Armed Forces to resign.

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  8. Holy C… he must be sht.. his pants to do this.

    Some of the best nuggets:

    … “when I realized I was being measured with the same stick that we measured others I decided to leave the country”

    He has the toupe to demand judicial process guarantees for himself !!!

    … I no longer have an Armored car

    … I no longer have a security detail

    … Venenezuela is not safe for me any longer due to paid hitmen.

    My comrades betrayed me … nobody calls me or takes my calls anymore.

    I’ll rather run a Hotdog stand.

    … How sad, what a shame for the country … this was a supreme court justice.

    … Who does he have stuff on ?

    … What are the documents he is bargaining with ?

    … Who else is sh… their pants tonight expecting the DEA to freeze their Assets?

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  9. Only reasonable position for the opposition is that there must be a through investigation of these allegations by a special independent prosecutor without ties or dependencies with the named goverment officials.

    The Chavez goverment will never allow this to happen – for obvious reasons – and the “People” will have to read through this … and vote.

    Otherwise how do you suppose you are going to get any independent institution to listen and investigate these allegations ?

    This is sooooo over-the-top that the only possible action for the goverment is to implicate the opposition into this betrayal as a corruption / extortion case.

    Watch JVR send the test balloons tomorrow.

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  10. They are waiting for someone to give them the lead … what is the story going to be … where is JVR when you need him ?

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  11. When people compared Venezuela with Nazi Germany I always reacted as if they were exaggerating. How would they dare to compare Venezuela to Nazi Germany. For the first time, I admit that we are on track to becoming something like Nazi Germany. The level of fascism and the eroding of the democratic institutions is amazing.

    This guy doesn’t even regret it. I am sure if he was confronted with the same choices he would do them again.

    We will need some Nuremberg trials after all this is over.

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    • Nazi comparisons are always far-fetched. Even hysterical. Yes, there’s no doubt that chavismo uses the same tactics than the nazi regime, but their goals and motivations are entirely different. In spite of the infamous “Lista Tascon”, chavismo is not talking about a “Final Solution” to eradicate millions of innocent persons. So, please, please, please don’t go there.

      If you want to compare these regime to something, a street thug, un malandro de barrio is a better fit. We have a “malandro” government. A malandrocracia, if you will: a govenment by malandros, for malandros. From La Bombilla to the Supreme Court, our entire country is ruled by malandros.

      In our country there’s no such thing as rule of law. The guys with the bigger gun, the gang with the biggest and meanest mofos can do whatever they want. And right now the chavistas are the strongest gang.

      Just like the incombustible Domingo Alberto Rangel once said: Aqui manda el hampa!

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      • Amen on the Nazi comparisons. Until we see the Chavez government causing direct and collateral deaths of 50 million, among those, millions of several targeted groups, jews being one, gassed and starved to death, executed en masse in open pits — need I go on — this comparison will remain absurd and in the domain of the hysterical.

        Maladrorismo is accurate.

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      • Yes, gang mentality is the obvious comparison and most accurate. Also-cultism,
        led by a fanatic. (Chavez- the thug, the loving family man-ha)
        Years ago I said that when Chavez is gone and a new government is in place-there needs to be a government program all over the country that teaches about “cult deprogramming”
        and helps the many suffering people of Venezuela recover.
        Apointe sees himself a victim caught up in the gang and forced to lose his indentity and self-respecting principles or be killed and his only option was to escape..
        So, the “judge” blames eveyone else and that is what everyone else will do and
        Chavez will even claim that he knew nothing…

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  12. I love this part:

    ‘Pero una vez que yo me ví que me midieron con la misma vara y el mismo metro con el que miden a los demás, dije: esto no es la justicia que se proclama, esta no es la justicia que debe ser, esta no es la justicia constitucional.’

    Reminds me of Niemöller:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

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    • yeah, I loved the quote, too. (“Pero una vez que yo me ví que me midieron con la misma vara y el mismo metro con el que miden a los demás,…”)

      So much for the Revolution and equality for all …

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  13. The fit hits the shan once again, so what? We have had several scandals like this before: Pudreval, Antonini’s suitcase, Makled himself… It’s all gonna be the same: mass media lashes regime, chavismo claims it’s all a CIA conspiracy, probably some other narco-general gets a promotion and nothing else happens. Probably in 24-48 hours a new scandal arises… wash rinse repeat.

    I honestly don’t care what a shady character like Aponte Aponte has to say. For all I know, he is just another accomplice of the thugs and the drug smugglers ruling in Venezuela. I want some hard evidence on all the craps he’s saying. Does he actually have some or is just all blabbermouth?

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    • In any mafia trial, the person who turns state’s evidence can be attacked as himself or herself a dirty bastard. “You are a mafia hitman! Why should we believe you?” But the thing is, it is impossible to find out what goes on in any criminal gang, without talking with a high member of the gang. Nor will the local church lady will not have much knowledge of the inner workings of the police state.

      Any time the President of the Supreme Court, Penal Branch, says “we were under orders from the Executive Branch, and we were threatened if we didn’t follow orders”, that is highly important evidence. When he says he cannot trust the justice system he himself presided over, this should tell us someing about that system.

      The Chavista response, “The guy we put on the Supreme Court is a liar” eeflects harshly on them in any case.

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  14. Watching the interview I was appalled even if he was just confirming what many of us already knew. The thing that struck me was he was saying with his body language. This man genuinely believes that he was betrayed and doesn’t deserve all of this because he was just following orders. What a pathetic individual. His facial expressions gave away a lot about his state of mind.

    Quico is in some points right about the production values and the quality of the journalism showed in this interview. Still, I must say the journalist Verioshka Velasco is very competent. She stated her career in Barquisimeto as reporter for Promar (I know her personally, but only talked once or twice a long time ago) and she’s good enough. She’s not Mike Wallace, that’s for sure but she’s not so bad either. Also to consider, the circunstances of the interview probably weren’t the most ideal ones. Looks cheap given the short time they had to make it.

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    • Also to consider, the circunstances of the interview probably weren’t the most ideal ones. Looks cheap given the short time they had to make it.

      Wait wait, WHAT?

      What’s the fucking rush?! I don’t get it. “The short time they had to make it”?!!? Where is it written down that they couldn’t sit on this material, research around it, and take 3 or 4 weeks to put together a proper package around it?!

      It’s a hack job. Appalling.

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        • Eligio Cedeño? Eligio Cedeño? That’s funny. He has the same name as that Eligio Cedeño from Venezuela that Chávez was so much after. What a coincidence! Isn’t it?
          Isn’t it? !!

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          • Apparently the US hasn’t frozen Cedeño’s accounts either.
            To be honest, the criminal system in Venezuela has always been a sewer, but know its a sewer that’s been used for the fascist prosecution of opponents. But the thing is that in Venezuela know one gets really outraged with the fact that Courts are corrupt, probably they think that’s the same in every country.

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            • “Apparently the US hasn’t frozen Cedeño’s accounts either.”

              Why should they? Can you be specific? On the basis of the accusation in Venezuela? Of selling his banks (He was forced to do it) to Fernandez Barrueco? As far as I know, Cedeño was never accused in Venezuela of something that would justify what you say. He was accused of approving CADIVI dollars to a company in the amount of US$ 22 million (two people were accused) So, you think this justifies the US freezing his accounts? Exactly, how? All his money? Why? I know he is no saint, but you are stretching it a bit I think…

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            • Chamo cuidado con a quien defiendes. It was a snarky comment, obviously he has political asylum and his accounts are not frozen. But he was a boliburgues just like Ruperti and the money with which he set up that TV networks is probably el tuyo, el mío y el de todos nosotros.
              Cedeño and Gustavo Arráiz were guys who got incredibly rich with the government. They got those millions of preferential dollars through CADIVI by forging invoices of export. It was done with the complicity of the chivos of CADIVI and they weren’t probably the first nor the last ones to do that, but the first ones to get prosecuted. Apparently when Arraiz broke his relationship with Chavez’s daughter they look for a way to put them in jail. The thing is that they don’t have evidence to support a case and besides that, is legally shaky because when the facts took place the Ley de Ilícitos Cambiarios was still not enacted. Of course, the government has violated their right to due process in many ways during their trials, pero los dos están bien lejos de ser unas inocentes palomitas

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        • Wow – Gustavo, can you write a short post about that? Eligio Cedeño’s unknown TV Channel got the scoop for this…?! Wow. Unbelievable. Somewhere, Martin Scorcese is busy writing his new script, this one with a Latin bent.

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      • I wouldn’t judge too hastily, Quico. After all, you’re the luminary who has promoted, indeed, vaunted a book these past 11-A’s as though that book were written by some deep throat professor at Johns Hopkins University. And when the sham was busted for you, recently, we were regaled with as near to a hissy fit.

        Yes, the production value could be improved — greatly. And yes, the journalist could have been more incisive. On the other hand, a hardballer might have caused AA to close up completely.

        There’s nothing here to get hysterical about. Give the young woman a break. As Juan indicated, there were a number of nuggets she was able to pull, in order to confim what we all knew about this government. As for the full story, it’ll all come out in the wash.

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            • Actually, Quico, Syd has a point. I thought the journalist was decent. She asked appropriate follow up questions, she seemed on top of who the characters were, and she wasn’t completely misinformed. I mean, can you imagine this interview in the hands of, say, Carla Angola? Marta Colomina? We could have done much worse. I also think you’re taking lightly the fact that htis interview had to come out now and not later, now, before Aponte goes the way of the late Governor Aguilarte.

              Yes, the editing was tacky, but you know what? The interview character himself was tacky. In part, the tacky setting and production values match the whole sordidness of the story. It’s not *great* journalism, but I wouldn’t call it appalling.

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            • Actually I never got past her maddening, deeply irresponsible first paragraph. Syd accuses me of writing something I’ve never written, on her way to impugning Brian Nelson’s work on the basis of…well, apparently, the fact that some hack journo for El Nacional misidentified him in the print once. I have no patience for this crap.

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          • This is an stellar argumentum ad hominem. It would be difficult to surpass you in this regard.

            The emperor has no clothes …

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            • relieved I’m not the only one with a similar mindset. but it’s more complicated than you can imagine. (peo psicológico — from waaaay back.) Yo no le hago mucho caso.

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            • Now the hack was the guy from El Nacional! because he misidentified that clown as a university professor. Why didn’t he try this? “Listen friend, I am not a university professor at one of the best universities in the United States, I am just a schoolteacher.” But, what is does it really matter if somebody spews some intellectual dishonesty now and then? I guess is just peanuts. Right Toro?

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            • Syd, I challenge you to comb my archive for any instance where I’ve identified Brian Nelson as a professor at Johns Hopkins University.

              Now, if we’re going to talk about ad hominems, let’s talk about your blithe, wholesale disqualification of five years of careful research on the basis of nothing at all.

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            • Let’s just get this right: you have no issue with any substantive part of his research. There’s no fact he got wrong on the events of April 2002, no mistake you’re accusing him of falsifying, no misstatement of fact. You can point to absolutely no fault whatsoever in the substance of his work. But you disqualify five years of research on the basis that, years after the fact, some guy interviewed him and got his title wrong? What a fucking prick…

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            • Sigh. Look reyecito. Yeah, that’s you, Quico. It’s much too late for me. But I couldn’t pass up a challenge.

              Here’s what you wrote in IHT:
              “As it stands, the most thorough investigation of the April 11th massacre and the subsequent coup was made not by any official body, but by a U.S. academic. Brian Nelson spent five years meticulously reconstructing the events of that weekend, interviewing all the key participants with a forensic scientist’s attention to detail, on his way to producing “The Silence and The Scorpion.’’”

              When you click on BN’s “About”, you find this:
              Formerly at the Center for American and World Cultures at Miami University, he currently teaches for Johns Hopkins University’s Center for Talented Youth.

              Interesting use of the preposition “for”.

              You referred to him as a “U.S. academic” (Yes, yes, pass the port.) a description with a crystal chime more precious than “he’s a free-lance writer and part-time schoolteacher”. Well done, Quico. And you’re the one who harangued – that peo lasting a full week — on the topic of intellectual honesty?

              Hmmm, this port is delicious…

              But I think this says it all:
              http://caracaschronicles.com/2012/04/11/can-it-really-be-10-years-already/#comments

              I can’t believe that you still think interviewing 19 people (or as you stated: “every key player in the April Crisis multiple times … THAT makes him an expert. Deal with it”) over 5 years, and there’s more if we take the IHT comment – “with a forensic scientist’s attention to detail” makes BN an expert. Let’s see 19 / 5 = 3.8 interviewees per year. Yup, that’s an expert all right.

              Maybe the forensic scientist was out the day BN wrote (on his website) about “Digipol”. That, to me, raised red flags, maybe because I lived those times in Venezuela, used to frequently hear stories about the Digepol. Seeing it as Digipol (what! a writer makes a typo in his website — no puede ser) told me everything I needed to know about BN’s level of historical knowledge of Venezuelan politics. It even cast doubts on his ability to communicate with a certain sophistication, in the language. There’s no equivocation on saying Digipol vs. Digepol. The vowels are linguistically distinct from one another. Maybe he didn’t hear it and it was a typo on the original information he received. If so, you’d think the forensic scientist would have googled the term and read up on it in other sources, to know the difference.

              But getting back to the mistaken identity of B.N., where do you think the journalist at El Nacional got the idea that BN is a university professor? More importantly, do you think BN corrected him, set him straight? If so, don’t you think El Nacional would have published an errata by now?

              Putting it all together, my credibility in this guy and his work is limited, no matter how much praise you lavish, and boy! have you lavished it, on his book — so as to use it as an element to promote your writing.

              That’s how I see it. Now burn the heretic.

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            • This is in case you are addressing me: it is clear you didn’t address me directly, because you don’t have the balls to do it and yet you insult me. Let’s begin, shall we?

              “Let’s just get this right: you have no issue with any substantive part of his research. There’s no fact he got wrong on the events of April 2002, no mistake you’re accusing him of falsifying, no misstatement of fact. You can point to absolutely no fault whatsoever in the substance of his work.”

              Nothing to add to what Syd replied to you and what we have both wrote in reply to your arguments. Your neuron just cannot absorb the info, because your limbic system took over and you are ranting like a 5 year-old. Narcissism?

              But you disqualify five years of research on the basis that, years after the fact, some guy interviewed him and got his title wrong? What a fucking prick…

              Again, Syd got your facts straight. The “guy” did not get his facts wrong. He was mislead into believing that BN is a university professor. Big difference. Sure, he should have checked the fact, but the bulk of the fault belongs to BN.

              And finally, you ned to resort to personal insults. It speaks volumes about you.

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            • Syd
              “told me everything I needed to know about BN’s level of historical knowledge of Venezuelan politics”

              I don’t think anyone has ever claimed Nelson to be an expert in Venezuelan history or politics. He is an expert in the events of April 11-13 because he did a thorough investigation and that’s what the book is all about.
              He did much more than 19 interviews (I don’t know where that number came from).

              According to Nelson himself (http://www.brianandrewnelson.com/Note_To_Readers.htm) he interviewed more than 40 different persons, each one several times. Of course a book is not only interviews it’s also research: gathering material (video, audio, photos, documents, reports, articles), analyzing it, comparing and corroborating and of course finally writing and correcting.
              As with everything human there are going to be errors like the misspelling of Digepol (a police force that stopped having that name in 1969) a pretty immaterial error for the subject of the book.

              BTW, Quico is not the only one who praises the book:

              http://www.amazon.com/The-Silence-Scorpion-Against-Venezuela/dp/product-description/1568584180/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

              http://www.brianandrewnelson.com/Silence_home.htm

              Having read the book I highly recommend it myself.

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            • So, to recap, no, you have found nothing to quibble with, no misstatement of fact, in his research on the April crisis at all. But you toss out the entirety of his work on the basis of damning evidence nonetheless: an error somebody else made, and a typo!

              Man, those are some high standards you have, Syd! I’d hate to see what you’d do to someone who falsely accused somebody else of identifying someone as a Professor at Johns Hopkins University…boy, wouldn’t want to be in *those* shoes once you got through with them.

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            • you’re getting awfully hysterical, Toro. I know, your corns hurt. Will answer at a later point. By then, you may have exchanged your preening mirror for one that gives you a reality reflection.

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        • “As for the full story, it’ll all come out in the wash.”Apointe is nuts,
          you can listen to him for weeks rambling and huffing, he’s already
          had a breakdown is not recovering. The longer he stays in front of
          a TV the worse it will be- sickening.( Is he suffering from extreme bloat?)
          Apointe -the judge-suddenly the big cry baby who wants to go home to momma…
          Goodbye cruel world. Seriously, he needs psychological help.
          It is sad and embarassing to watch him.( I don’t know why-but always in the past
          his glasses were dirty, cloudy- and now he didn’t even wear any in the interview
          and acts blind. And that shirt -the buttons about to pop off.

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          • I am sorry to express so much disgust toward the messenger,
            it seems the message will be lost though due to Aponte’s “distastefullness”..

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          • I think the shirt with the buttons about to pop off was a classic, a caricaturist’s dream: a too-fat fat cat caught in the cat’s cradle.

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            • I have never understood why the obesity rate among our high-ranking military officers is three times the rate of the general population.

              Actually, it makes perfect sense. But it’s a disgrace.

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            • Easy. Visit the basement of the Defense Ministry Building and you will the millions of cases of whiskey stacked up to the ceiling.

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        • “After all, you’re the luminary who has promoted, indeed, vaunted a book these past 11-A’s as though that book were written by some deep throat professor at Johns Hopkins University.”

          Yeah, like cachicamo hablando sobre el morrocoy conchudo. Pathetic.

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      • I do not know anything about the reporter, but Ia m Sure the inerview was not allowed to be totally open. DEA and the US handlers have an interest in waht is portrayed and how public opinnion in Venezuela is preared for wahtever next measures they are planning to take.

        The individual is despicable indeed. totalmente AMORAL, just like most venezuelians in goverment, with no values other than to get very rich fast, and then try to pasar agachado…. Hey it worked for so many adocopeyanos in the past…Why not us, they should ask.

        the practise of tender puentes, y limar asperezas, for the “common good”, peace, governance, etc. will allow the new boliburguese to become the new amos del valle, down the road, and the new ones in power will get their turn at the can.

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        • Exactly. The DEA and his own lawyers probably gave him and the TV station a list of no-go areas and certain specific instructions about what caould have been discussed in the interview.

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          • Interesting area of speculation. If I were the DEA, I would not be too ecstatic about the interview if there is a serious prospect of this guy being a witness in court.

            Aponte’s basic gist in the interview, as I understood it, was: I was a completely corrupt judge, and oversaw a completely corrupt court, except for the one issue of the credential for Makled and any relationship with the narcos. For this outrageous allegation, I must clear my name! (How dare they!) As for the credential, I just sign things without thinking about them, and as for Makled, Makled was just at my party because he was known as a Respected Businessman, and as for the narcos, I only did one thing in my entire massively corrupt carreer at the TSJ for them -that I can currently recall- , and it had nothing to do with Makled.

            A reasonable group of jurors might think: “huh”?

            A less potentially complicating response from the perspective of the DEA, aside from him just shutting up for now, might have been: I was totally corrupt, period. And I repent. Period. And therefore everything I say from now on is credible. etc etc.

            Instead, the guy is mixing his horrible truths up with his continuing self-serving lies, showing a complete lack of candor about his own culpability, and that makes for a less than optimal witness. Makes for a rivetting and at the same time disgusting interview though.

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            • I’d just add, that alleged weekly meeting at the VP’s office is going to be a little awkward this week, I would think.

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            • um, “showing a complete lack of candor about his own culpability,”?
              Unless I’m missing something, I think AA accepts his culpability, grosso modo, and says that he’s prepared to face the consequences.

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            • Exactly, a “dirty bomb”. Contrary to what Daniel Duquenal said- DEA has a big toad on/in
              their hands…

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            • I don’t think he thinks he’s culpable. I think he thinks he was just following orders, like a good soldier. I see 9 parts disclosure about all the misdeeds of everyone else, and one part rationalization about his own misdeeds. Sure, he says at one point he’s prepared to face the consequences, but for what? Anyone who says, in the face of all that he disclosed, that he wants to “clear his name”…is not accepting his own culpability. Maybe someone will whisper in his ear: thanks for helping the cause of justice and- by the way- your name is mud for an eternity in any event- be glad you are alive.

              I mean really, the Makled bit- did you buy it? He went from, he’s not sure to, maybe he did to, if he did- can’t say for sure- , he just signs these things without thinking about it. That – to me- is a lack of candor. Just say you signed it, and you signed it to do your alleged nasty friend a big favour, you big toad. And save the details for United States v. Chavez. (I’m sorry, that last bit was a little unrealistic)

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            • ok, Canuck. I will watch the video again with your comments in mind. In the meantime, and pardon me for being repetitive (for I’ve asked this on Miguel’s and Daniel’s blogs) … When AA was judge and president of the supreme ct, was he still considered a soldier? Or was he retired from the military, now taking on a civilian function?

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            • I do agree this would be very useful and a big deal. My only point is, his yapping to the press is not necessarily something the DEA would have planned or encouraged. I’m just saying that if I were the DEA, I’d suggest to him that he shut up for now. Why I am thinking about the DEA’s strategy here, I have no idea. I am sure they have the strategy well thought out.

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      • So, your point is that the interviewer did a hack job, yet the counter argument you’re getting from others has nothing to do with non hack job points, but that you don’t have a right to that opinion?! lol Where have I seen that before…

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  15. What a despicable character. The worst that Venezuela has to offer. And to top it all, a supreme court judge! I hope the DEA–or whomever it is he is talking to–plays hardball. They shouldn’t treat him like a little princess.

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    • “They shouldn’t treat him like a little princess.”

      But they will for the damaging information he can provide.

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      • Beg to disagree. No doubt they will give him some assurances, but I don’t think they will treat him with much tenderness. The alternative to cooperate may very well be a journey to the interior of a … coffin, courtesy of those for whom his info would be very damaging.

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        • you may right about the no-TLC. then again … other than some bad cop, good cop routines, is there any sense in torturing the canary, before it has sung its last song? If AA ends up in a US jail, he’ll feel like a pampered princess, in comparison to the Vzlan counterpart, which would likely not allow him to write a book. Also, he will finally get his armored car back, plus an escort, even, while he travels to jail and wherever else he’s required to go.

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  16. Rats are jumping ship! because the Cancer-Ambulante is going to croak – perhaps sooner than expected. If I didn’t know better, I would say “pass the popcorn,” I do not want to miss the spectacle of these scumbags destroying each other. But that’s not going to be good for the rest of the country.

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  17. I didn’t watch the video but it was fascinating to read the transcript. The comments have also been interesting. For what it is worth, the quality of the journalism for this interview really doesn’t matter. Hopefully it will be the first of a series with each one revealing for details, preferably along with tangible evidence to support Aponte’s allegations.

    I believe that the opposition should use this very professionally, without ranting and raving. Capriles on television expressing his dismay at the revelations and asking the electorate to take this information into account as they decide who to vote for in October could sway a lot of undecided voters and perhaps even cause a lot of soft Chavistas to shift their support. It is obvious that the Venezuelan government is not honoring the constitution or managing the country as a true democracy.

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    • Say it isn’t so, BAB-“It is obvious that the Venezuelan government is not honoring the constitution or managing the country as a true democracy”
      Shhh- you might wake up others…Seriously, what is obvious is that laws, the Constitution,
      mean nothing at the highest levels.And, totally contrary to what Maduro said today- laws, justice does notNOT work in Venezuela and has not for a long time.
      Also, Madura was talking about “Aponte selling his soul to DEA.” Madura sold his soul
      to Chavez/Cuba -long time ago…

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      • The “Judge” is blaming everyone else and
        saying he ran for his life. “All I can say is “Judge”, you should have ran before
        BEFORE committing the crimes you did, because you knew they were crimes…”

        Now, you want our sympathy and forgiveness? No way!

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  18. Aponte is the latest evidence that Chavez has no friends.

    Its really impressive how this bozo, who doesnt even know how to talk properly, became a supreme court judge. Even among chavistas this guy stands out as a uneducated moron. Chavez sure knows how to pick them.

    I am willing to bet that this moron has zero evidence of anything he is saying, no documents, papers, nada. He looks like he lives by the motto “como vaya viniendo vamos viendo”.

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    • I am sure that most people here found this turd syntactically challenged, but it is rewarding that someone bothered to state so. Indeed, it is incredible and at the same time sad that this clown could become a supreme court justice. Talk about being “tuerto” in the land of the blind. But let’s hope he had the “viveza” – not the smarts – to accumulate evidence about thugoland. When he spews it, I will be having my popcorn!

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        • I was afraid to be the first one to say so. And actually, it didn’t really strike me watching the video – I could never get past the music. It’s really when you read the transcript that Aponte^2’s, erm, cognitive challenge comes through…

          Oh, who am I kidding?! There’s no way to sugar-coat it…the guy is an utter and complete idiot! He can barely string two coherent thoughts together! It was embarrassing!!

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  19. I keep coming back to his body language. He looks scared shi..less.

    There is an interesting write up from Carlos Julio Peñaloza in La Patilla explaining most of the relationships with the generals and why he decided to flee. I’ll see if I can find the link. Interesting read.

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  20. Yes, this story documents what we already knew. But at a deeper level, it serves as a wake slap from the 13 years “robolucion” slumber. The comparisons with Nazism are unjustified except in one aspect. Post WWII the world started to see with their own eyes what had happened. The shame and sadness that followed must have been overwhelming, especially for Germans, even now 60-70 years later. Likewise, as we see this unravel, I cannot help it have a similar feeling. Each one of you will have the same experience starting now and when chavismo finally tumbles down. We will all look back 5, 10, 25 years from now and try explaining our children how this was allowed to happen.

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  21. CACR: I agree, but he was not accused of any crime in Venezuela that would justify what you are saying. There are other bolibankers that were, but he was out of the picture by the time the financial crisis came and he sold his banks to Fernandez Barruecos way before that, while he was in jail. For the US to act, there has to be evidence of some sort.

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  22. Instead of swallowing all these “truths” wholesale have you ever asked yuurself why Aponte Aponte never said anything before he was accused of being involved in drug running in Venezuela by the venezuelan authorities? Seconsly, how do you know he is actually telling the truth or if this is just a deal he made with the DEA to blaclball Venezuela?Oh, I understand…..because you read all this stuff in the private media in the past (no, the private media in Venezuela is squeaky clean and would never mislead its readers!!) , it must be true because Aponte Aponte is confirming your suspiscions.
    It’s the same syndrome as believing that Capriles is only 1% behind Chavez in voter intentions.

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  23. For those of you in Venezuela or wanting to know who the characters are in this new soap opera with Aponte Aponte as the star watch Cayendo y Corriendo today at 5pm Caracas time. Go to http://www.vtv.gov.ve and click on señal en vivo and wonder why the interviewer is the legal representative of Zuloaga and Merentes in Venezuela and why the TV channel where the interview appeared belongs to that most honest perso, Eugenio Cedeño (he only stole $27 million from Cadivi) , plus other surprises such as the role of Afiuni’s lawyer which makes me think that there is much more to these “revelations” than meets the eye.

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    • Who appointed Aponte Aponte, Capriles? Cedeño was involved in a network of corruption that included the President of Cadivi at the time and was selectively punish because Chavez wanted to. Tú crees que CADIVI le aprueba 27 millones de dólares al primer pendejo que venga y presente unas facturas chimbas? The records from the approval of that money were destroyed in CADIVI. Mejor ni destapemos cañerías de corrupción porque el chavismo es el que sale más salpicado de …

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    • I can hardly believe I’m about to write this, but for once I sympathize with Arturo. In the absence of corroborating evidence, and without knowing anything about the very murky waters underneath this story, it’s impossible for me to get too excited about the revelations here.

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      • I, too, was thinking of Arturo, this afternoon, so blind in his devotion to this regime. If he were a child, or a young man, I would certainly sympathize. But he’s a big, big boy whose long-standing argumentativeness, relative erudition, and wilful blindness pointed to much deeper issues. May he start to figure these out, instead of hiding behind papi Chávez and his ‘I’m here to love and support you’.

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        • What a wonderful example you are, Syd. We should all say a prayer for
          Arturo (and maybe a small one for Mr. Toro too- ha)..

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      • Disagree. Just like Runrunnes- it’s the best show in town.When there is no information
        to be found – the best wag, rag-selling tale around will have to suffice…things would get
        very boring- just listening to chavista propaganda everyday, right?
        No, there will be- I predict some facts and connecting the dots- I just hope it will be
        sooner and maybe coming frm within VZ-because DEA etc. are not in the business of keeping us informed about anything..

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  24. And Diosdado confirms it:
    “No tuvo el coraje, no tuvo la fortaleza, para pararse en la AN y decir todo. ¡No!, se lo fue a contar a los gringos”
    -1- He tells the truth
    -2- He is a traitor, telling the truth loud

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