Chávez in the Past Tense UPDATED

/ June 26, 2011

Chavista National Assembly Member Israel Sotillo (a.k.a. el Diputado Mozilla) is now tweeting about Hugo Chávez in the past tense: “Chávez was a great man and will live forever in the heart of our great nation.”

Weird.

My tune-it-out-it’s-just-noise instinct is starting to crack now.

Update: I’m an idiot. It has to be a fake account.

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64 thoughts on “Chávez in the Past Tense UPDATED”

    • It’s gotta be…He linked to a spanish porn website and threatened to expropriated.

      But even if it is, it’s so sad that a guy like Sotillo is the Minister of Science and Technology.

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    • I just called home. People there are much much less likely to believe in any, absolutely any kind of rumours than abroad.
      They take it Zen now and think Hugo’s blufffing 100% or at least 50% bluffing.

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    • Nope, it’s not a fake account, it’s the same he was using during the mozilla affair that made him infamous. I can understand how you can think it’s fake, his posting are appalling! Even through tweeter you can get an idea of the kind of person he is.

      Speaking about tweeter another funny thing happened yesterday. After The New Herald published that Marisabel and Rosines had travelled to Cuba to visit Chavez, Marisabel, indignant, said she was going to do a TweetCam later the next day to prove to the New Herald that she was in Barquisimeto. Before that happened Chavez tweeted that he had received the visit of his children and grandchildren including, of course, Rosines. After that Marisabel cancelled the tweetcam saying that her presence in Venezuela was proof enough that there a bunch of liers and people that believe them???

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        • Perhaps they got it wrong about Marisabel? They thought she was going along as they did not know she had divorced the bastard?

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          • In that case she may just have said so and it would’ve been very believable. After all what’s the problem with her and/or Rosines going to see convalescent Chavez?

            It’s clear she was just trying to say The New Herald article it’s all lies but it backfired and showed who’s the liar.

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            • no, Amiers, what i thought was they heard his family went to Cuba and they thought “also wife” because they were not up to date with that Musiúos can sometime ignore such things

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            • Yeah they may have gotten that part wrong but if that had been the case Marisabel could’ve just replied that she didn’t go but only Rosines did. Instead she is implying that the whole article of The New Herald is all lies but now we know that at least the part about Rosines is true and Marisabel’s attitude (first scheduling the tweetcam and then canceling it) tells us SHE is the one lying.

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    • After the “internet y moziya” debacle,. I’m ready to believe those tweets could conceivably have come out of Sotillo’s stunted brain.

      Probably fake, but just barely.

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  5. I honestly think that there is more speculation and rumors coming from outside Venezuela than within. Kepler is right. In the street, here in Venezuela, people are just not talking much about it. They don’t know anything for sure and are waiting more patiently than I would have thought possible to find out. And to me, that is what is “weird”.

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  6. Miami Times reported yesterday that an unamed State Department Intelegence official reported that Hugo Chavez was in critical condition. That would explain why he is not able to communicate. However, it doesn’t explain the secrecy or why he had to get treatment in Cuba in the first place.

    The secrecy should mean there is something to cover up, and going to Cuba certainly makes it easier to cover things up. I’m not sure the political trick theory makes sense, but if Chavez feels he is losing the coming election it could be possie. On the other hand, the cover-up being executed going to such a great length ie. Going to Cuba and lasting so long, makes me believe things are that serious and gives time for making plans.

    I’ve already started thinking about what Venezuela’s future might look like if Chavez were out of the picture. For one thing, there would be lots of chaos and huge problems to deal with. It is much easier to move an economy into chaos than out of chaos. Then, you have an entrenched political organization or rather disorganization. But most of all you have a whole lot of poor dependent on government for subsistence. We know that the current economic program is not sustainae, but how do you change it?

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  7. It’s not the only such case. There was the “WikileaksAr” posts that claimed that HCh had died yesterday morning from a heart attack, prompting a lot of RT’s. This morning Wikileaks denied any involvement:

    @wikileaks WikiLeaks
    @WikileaksAR is not associated with WikiLeaks. It has been used to spread the rumor that Chavez has died in Cuba. Why?

    The account wikileaksAr has been deleted.

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  9. For those of you who are waiting for the lowdown from your favorite friendly-but-royally-pissed-off ethereal entity, here it is: Yes, Chavez had prostate cancer. And it’s life-threatening, but not in the way you think.

    The cancer itself isn’t going to kill him, but you see, he already got two of the most degrading side effects of PC treatment: impotence and urinary incontinence. He’s going to have to spend the rest of his life wearing diapers, and he will never be able to have “normal” sex again (I put normal in quotes because there was never anything normal about how the man had sex). And as you can guess, he’s become suicidal to boot. That’s the reason they don’t let him anywhere near a microphone (or sharp objects for that matter). They’re trying to convince him that “he can still live a full life”, but even in his best moments, he still starts sobbing like an idiot every time he sees a baby or a woman.

    And, yes, everyone here agreed that was a lot better punishment than what happened to all the other guys.

    Now, is there any other idiot out there thinking about desecrating my tomb and messing with my bones again? No? I didn’t think so…

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  10. Let’s not loose focus: winning the contraloria is our next objective. It wouldn’t surprise me if los rojitos use this smoke screen to slip in a new contralor sin derecho a pataleo!

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  11. Well, the Sotillo guy is taking full responsibility for the tweet. Therefore the tweet (and the twitter account) is not fake.

    There is a LOT of noise around, it’s certainly quite annoying.

    PS.- On Sotillo’s TL: “Twiter no funciona. Los yanquis no saben hacer nada bien.” While tweeting on an Iphone. Priceless…

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          • I don’t know about “true”, but the account’s still active, when having it shut down by Twitter itself would be fairly simple. If Sotillo himself went to the media to disavow the stuff coming from “his” alleged account, then great, let’s put the topic to bed. But whoever’s behind that account keeps ranting and raving, and no one’s stopping him.

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            • LMAO!!!!

              Are you kidding? Are you really expecting the Mozilla MP, of all people to be web-savvy enough to contact Tweeter and do all what he needs to?

              It is plausible, and then he tweets about el carro envenenao and Chávez’ death. No way.

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            • It’s a weird kind of double-down reverse bluff, con tirabuzón. The tweets are totally outlandish and stupid…but then the guy is totally outlandish and stupid. He “proves” the account is his by tweeting a picture of his signature – but then why not of his own face?!?? http://twitpic.com/5hd4r6

              If it’s a fake account, it’s brilliant, brilliant satire…

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            • Guido, I know how idiotic it sounds, trust me. But it’s Venezuela, and a chavista MP. Almost literally anything is possible when you combine those two factors.

              It’s a weird kind of double-down reverse bluff, con tirabuzón.

              Y con chanfle y cuchareta.

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            • “It’s a weird kind of double-down reverse bluff, con tirabuzón. Y con chanfle y cuchareta.”

              Verga! I used that formula to bet at La Rinconada and won! So much for my much heralded betting secret. Thanks for outing that fellas!

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  13. Clearly, Chavez has something serious. That will make it much more difficult for him to campaign and win reelection next year, making his plans to rule another decade or two much less likely.

    With so many problems, I think that the main thing keeping chavismo afloat is Chavez’s personal popularity. With him gone or incapacitated, the election will be the opposition’s to lose.
    http://mikesbogotablog.blogspot.com/2011/06/whats-happening-with-hugo.html

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  14. This is all just so absurd. Even during the Cold War, there was not so much lack of information when one of the Secretary General’s of the USSR was ailing.

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    • well, the Ruski were good at physics, mathematics, chemistry, medicine, weapon making. We are good at rumours, fairy tales, lies and jokes.

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  18. hey guys…. i know tipically you would all overlook comments on here but just so you are all clear. Chavez does have testicular cancer, he had surgery and has been undergoing treatment. Apparently he is stable, however doctors are pressuring him to undergo chemo, however he obviously refuses because of the hair loss involved (political countereffects of his public persona etc etc) He is forbidden from taking antideppressives as he usually does and has been a little off lately…. ( I know this for a fact, FYI my uncle is the current mano derecha of one of the head of the state powers, not naming names for security) but trust me on this. You’ll remember this post when this hits mainstream media in Vnzla…

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  19. Gosh, I don´t know where people get the idea that Chavez’s health is largely an expat or foreign concern. Just about everyone I’ve talked to brings up the issue and not only political junkies. Rumors abound and there are scads of columns and blogs either offering their own or trying to sort out the implications of the cacophony.
    As usual, it takes the Chiguire to set things straight: http://www.elchiguirebipolar.net/19-06-2011/primo-de-adan-asegura-que-chavez-le-dijo-a-cilia-que-le-dijera-a-maduro-que-no-hay-ningun-misterio-y-que-le-diga-a-izarra-que-por-favor-pare-la-desinformacion-sobre-la-salud-del-presidente/

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    • Pandora, rumours abound but my impression from hearing people in Venezuela, specially people who are not in posh areas and yet are oppos is that they are very very cautious. They have seen too much. We make things worse by publishing every single tweet from some madman saying Chávez died last week/he is in coma/he is dying at this very moment;
      there are other issues, you know…and one of them is that we should be prepare to start unmining the fields.

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      • Sorry Kepler. I reread your original post and realize that you were´t saying that Chavez´s condtion is not a concern but that people view all rumors/hypotheses with healthy scepticism. That squares with my experience, albeit limited, with different social strata, ranging from the cleaning lady, through white collar employees and former graduate studento to UCV colleagues.
        However,the fact is that people from all segments of the population are obsessed with the subject and that, once again, reflects Chavez´s nefarious omnipresence in Venezuelan life. Scepticism not withstanding, in the absence of Aló Presidente, his prostate gland or whatever is THE
        topic of the day, week, fortnight, when, like you, I believe “there are other issues … and one of them is that we should be prepare to start unmining the fields”

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  20. There is no way this guy put this on his twitter:
    @Israelsotillo Israel Sotillo
    “Le regalé a mi hijo su primer carro por navidad. Queria una Hummer, pero le di una explorer. Ayer me lo trajo envenenao. Le di una paliza.”

    Hell no… I still think it´s fake… Hopefully I´m wrong.

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      • How can it be fake?
        The account has been open and tweeting since December 17th, 133 tweets to date and the real Israel Sotillo who’s in the Science and Technology commision hasn’t found out? Nobody has told him?

        Cahvistas have passed laws to jail anyone that looks at them funny they have even arrested people for tweets and this guy is going to let someone mock him for 6 months? No way.

        I say the tweet account and Sotillo are the real deal. That’s how he is. If sometimes it seems that a drunkard is tweeting he probably is.

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  21. Ok, people, so far, Chavez:
    1. Shot himself on the knee after some sort of tantrum
    2. Testicular cancer
    3. Prostate cancer (metastasized).
    4. Colon cancer
    5. Is dead

    I’m sure I’m missing a few…

    We really need to keep it together here.

    I agree with Kepler. The strategy should be: Wish him well, say we hope to see him the 5th and press for the constitution to be respected.

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  23. I have heard many times that ones true character does not come out except in times of greatest stress, like in the midst of battle. We may all be about to see the true character of Hugo Chavez and his fellow leaders, especially with all the social economic problems, his health issues, and a difficult re-election. Hugo Chavez needs peace and rest to recover. The stress will ruin his health. Shakespeare could not come up with a greater climax to this drama.

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    • we will see no true character from any rojo rojitos, when so many are shams, performance artists with no solid training behind their doubtful credentials, other than their ability to verbalize pat phrases, public hatred, and polarizing comments.

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  24. good thing we can always count with reliable info from our ministers:

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  26. I’m trying to decide if the way the government has handled the PR around Hugo Chavez’s illnes was bourn out of desperation, incompetence, or insensitivity to the public’s need to know if their president is still alive and is coming back to work. Any employer would need to know that. What kind of employee would not inform their employer of their illness and how it will effect their job?

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